A private members' club co-founded by a WEF Young Global Leader believes the most pressing challenge we face today is the 'Rise of the Far Right'. I went down to find out more.
If it were understood or even merely considered that the progressive liberal left globalist collectivist form of corporate socialism that the groups mentioned - the rather privileged, wealthy, well-financed elitist 3rd Way we need to act together in unison and togetherness or else people will get out of line types - are in fact a continuation of far right fascism that believes “democracy isn’t working” (their version of it) - then everything that seems to be currently so unclear in their aggressive search for definitions might suddenly become clear.
Ivor, you are absolutely 100% on the money. Unfortunately that requires a level of self-awareness that many (most?) of these people are incapable of achieving.! Beautiful description - 'privileged, wealthy, well-financed elitist 3rd Way we need to act together in unison and togetherness or else people will get out of line types'
More dialogue not less is fine, and sadly there is a "democratic deficit" as both sides agree. The paradigm of Left and Right was an outcome of the revolutionary Assemblies in Paris that represented an in-group that was designed to exclude the "ancien régime" and divided itself into degrees of extreme action, left and right ends of the same progressive revolution, whether to execute the aristocrats or not, for example, in taking forward the actions that led eventually to the Paris Commune. Both ends of this spectrum considered the pro-Constitution Monarchy democrats to be beyond the pale. Edmund Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France which responded to the intellectual challenge of how to build a democracy around people's real needs and desires, made an interesting point (from Wiki) "In the Reflections, Burke (A Whig who allied himself to the growing Liberal - capitalist free-market liberal - movement) argued that the French Revolution would end disastrously because its abstract foundations, purportedly rational, ignored the complexities of human nature and society. Further, he focused on the practicality of solutions instead of the metaphysics, writing: 'What is the use of discussing a man's abstract right to food or to medicine? The question is upon the method of procuring and administering them. In this deliberation I shall always advise to call in the aid of the farmer and the physician, rather than the professor of metaphysics'."
Fascism in the 30s was entirely metaphysical, rather like private meetings today of socialists and climate activists or computer modellers of "pandemics" at Imperial College talking to Matt Hancock.. They have not asked the farmer or GP what is best, but are working downwards from abstractions about how to teach people to behave in "rational ways" (according to their definition of what is rational, of course). Since our political masters in the EU and UN take the same view and merely transmit mandates discussed in committee (as the Assemblée Nationales in 1789 onwards and the Comintern, or today's European Council of Ministers do, after long consultation with powerful transnational lobbying groups and billionaires, academics and computer modellers etc) they have no real understanding of people at all and can thus label them any way they want. Mussolini, that extreme progressive socialist, famously said "when these people have learnt to obey, they will believe anything I tell them". This possession of the will of others by powerful groups and individuals is what C Jung identified as the real cause of fascism and the rise of far-left and far-right groups. When people are listened to and allowed to be sovereign (much as Austrian School economists argue, so hated by Marxists and collectivists who like Mussolini argue "there is no place for the selfish individual in the fasacist state") there would be no need for the Citizen's assemblies that revolutionaries demand. People would follow their own intelligent decisions, as the farmers are doing. The "far-right" is not this but is what the collectivists are doing - as they did in the 20s and 30s, and as they did in the French Revolutions by creating two extreme (left- and right-) wings of the very and exact same movement towards mental and social collectivism, by enforced consent.
I have just read this and have realised that it is exactly what I have just commented, only by someone with far more talent for articulation than myself. Thanks for that.
Your comments on Jon Alexander above are almost exactly my feelings after watching your vox pops. These people are trying to build solutions on foundations of sand. Oooh, we muct stop climate change!!!! Oh and I suppose we need to have solutions for the next fake virus as well. I'm sure these brainwashed, indoctrinated people mean well, but then so did many of the doctors injecting poison in to people, and the many corporate sheep I work with that preach about the wonders of smart meters and renewable energy. These people are generally good and well meaning and want to be helpful. Unfortunately they are also the sort of people that would be very good at spraying reflective particles into the air, making everyone eat insects and constricting society into 15 minutes cities, because it is for the greater good of society. They actually have never questioned a single thing in their whole lives and are just very effective, well oiled, well trained automatons. Just let the far left wind them up and let them reak their havoc on the world. And you know how to spot someone on the far left, because they are only concered with the rise of the far right. Those of us who are actually apolitical/anrchistic/libertarian can see that the issue is actually the extremes of both sides and the absolute lack of any objective truth or objective reality. they are all collectivists and communitarians. As for the guy from ISWE who said the Faschism was the absence of love, what utter bullshit, its the coming together of corporation and state, which is exactly what these groups try to achieve with their corporate backers. I think I'm done. Thanks Ben, found via Delingpole FYI. Cheers
As I have also replied to Jon below, I would be very interested in just how aware he is about the real issues affecting this world or if he's just full of commie hot air like the rest of them. So I look forward to that interview he's promised you.
Grotty Thunderberg. I've saved your article. Thanks.
The day I saw UN 'adult' ambassadors crowding round to capture her with their phones, I knew we were in trouble. It staggers me how stupid my community is.
Here's one back; Prof. Sachs with what could be the Poison Grotty Elf...
I wonder how many engineers are members of the Conduit Club?
Sounds like a chit chat social group who think of themselves as influencers - but not to the poor and disenfranchised deciding whether to have one or two cornflakes for breakfast.
thank you Ben for producing this post. i liked your post event outdoor interviews with the attendees best - which i think said the most revealing insights…..
it was a hard slog listening to “intellectuals” waffling on about a load of nonsense frankly. very unclear what they actually believe or am i being dim?
what was the actual conclusion of the evening? i didnt find one.
do people really have £2000 to spare to belong to this club. maybe that says it all!
if only we could channel the financial resources there are flying about
into real useful projects.
actually the best bit was the guy describing the grassroots initiative that bought up a whole british street to rent to local people for fair rent.
Not sure I'm as naive as you think I am fella - but I look forward to having that conversation! Soon I hope. Thank you for coming and for doing what you do in the meantime.
I'd be very interested in seeing an interview with you Jon. I don't know anything about you to be honest, but if you were at the meeting, or a member of the club, then i'd be intersted to know your thoughts on "Climate Change" and "The Pandemic" and the rise of authoritarian governments and totalitarianism as all of these points are vital to the foundations of any solutions. I apologise if you have covered these in your book. Obviously I have not read it yet. I'm sure, if you have read the other comments here, then you will understand the suspicion that people with "solutions" are viewed. And I for one, think that suspicion is absolutley justified.
Maybe the idea is for us to have roles in the game. Quantum computing will allow them to monitor our bodies and minds so if we divide ourselves into groups I bet they'd love that. All our minds and bodies could be use to feed back to the centralised force behind the de centralised model. We wouldn't even realise we are players in a game. People are racing to a highly efficient version of Gustav La Bon’s “The Crowd”. -
If it were understood or even merely considered that the progressive liberal left globalist collectivist form of corporate socialism that the groups mentioned - the rather privileged, wealthy, well-financed elitist 3rd Way we need to act together in unison and togetherness or else people will get out of line types - are in fact a continuation of far right fascism that believes “democracy isn’t working” (their version of it) - then everything that seems to be currently so unclear in their aggressive search for definitions might suddenly become clear.
Ivor, you are absolutely 100% on the money. Unfortunately that requires a level of self-awareness that many (most?) of these people are incapable of achieving.! Beautiful description - 'privileged, wealthy, well-financed elitist 3rd Way we need to act together in unison and togetherness or else people will get out of line types'
More dialogue not less is fine, and sadly there is a "democratic deficit" as both sides agree. The paradigm of Left and Right was an outcome of the revolutionary Assemblies in Paris that represented an in-group that was designed to exclude the "ancien régime" and divided itself into degrees of extreme action, left and right ends of the same progressive revolution, whether to execute the aristocrats or not, for example, in taking forward the actions that led eventually to the Paris Commune. Both ends of this spectrum considered the pro-Constitution Monarchy democrats to be beyond the pale. Edmund Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France which responded to the intellectual challenge of how to build a democracy around people's real needs and desires, made an interesting point (from Wiki) "In the Reflections, Burke (A Whig who allied himself to the growing Liberal - capitalist free-market liberal - movement) argued that the French Revolution would end disastrously because its abstract foundations, purportedly rational, ignored the complexities of human nature and society. Further, he focused on the practicality of solutions instead of the metaphysics, writing: 'What is the use of discussing a man's abstract right to food or to medicine? The question is upon the method of procuring and administering them. In this deliberation I shall always advise to call in the aid of the farmer and the physician, rather than the professor of metaphysics'."
Fascism in the 30s was entirely metaphysical, rather like private meetings today of socialists and climate activists or computer modellers of "pandemics" at Imperial College talking to Matt Hancock.. They have not asked the farmer or GP what is best, but are working downwards from abstractions about how to teach people to behave in "rational ways" (according to their definition of what is rational, of course). Since our political masters in the EU and UN take the same view and merely transmit mandates discussed in committee (as the Assemblée Nationales in 1789 onwards and the Comintern, or today's European Council of Ministers do, after long consultation with powerful transnational lobbying groups and billionaires, academics and computer modellers etc) they have no real understanding of people at all and can thus label them any way they want. Mussolini, that extreme progressive socialist, famously said "when these people have learnt to obey, they will believe anything I tell them". This possession of the will of others by powerful groups and individuals is what C Jung identified as the real cause of fascism and the rise of far-left and far-right groups. When people are listened to and allowed to be sovereign (much as Austrian School economists argue, so hated by Marxists and collectivists who like Mussolini argue "there is no place for the selfish individual in the fasacist state") there would be no need for the Citizen's assemblies that revolutionaries demand. People would follow their own intelligent decisions, as the farmers are doing. The "far-right" is not this but is what the collectivists are doing - as they did in the 20s and 30s, and as they did in the French Revolutions by creating two extreme (left- and right-) wings of the very and exact same movement towards mental and social collectivism, by enforced consent.
I have just read this and have realised that it is exactly what I have just commented, only by someone with far more talent for articulation than myself. Thanks for that.
Hi Rob
I’m sure the last bit is far from true, I agree with what you’ve written in your other comments though!
Your comments on Jon Alexander above are almost exactly my feelings after watching your vox pops. These people are trying to build solutions on foundations of sand. Oooh, we muct stop climate change!!!! Oh and I suppose we need to have solutions for the next fake virus as well. I'm sure these brainwashed, indoctrinated people mean well, but then so did many of the doctors injecting poison in to people, and the many corporate sheep I work with that preach about the wonders of smart meters and renewable energy. These people are generally good and well meaning and want to be helpful. Unfortunately they are also the sort of people that would be very good at spraying reflective particles into the air, making everyone eat insects and constricting society into 15 minutes cities, because it is for the greater good of society. They actually have never questioned a single thing in their whole lives and are just very effective, well oiled, well trained automatons. Just let the far left wind them up and let them reak their havoc on the world. And you know how to spot someone on the far left, because they are only concered with the rise of the far right. Those of us who are actually apolitical/anrchistic/libertarian can see that the issue is actually the extremes of both sides and the absolute lack of any objective truth or objective reality. they are all collectivists and communitarians. As for the guy from ISWE who said the Faschism was the absence of love, what utter bullshit, its the coming together of corporation and state, which is exactly what these groups try to achieve with their corporate backers. I think I'm done. Thanks Ben, found via Delingpole FYI. Cheers
Thanks for your comment. Your frustration is palpable. We're here to improve things..! Glad you found the page :)
As I have also replied to Jon below, I would be very interested in just how aware he is about the real issues affecting this world or if he's just full of commie hot air like the rest of them. So I look forward to that interview he's promised you.
There is NO climate emergency. I'm not even sure there is a discernible 'far right'.
Still, it's better you go find out than not Ben.
Don't tell Greta!
https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/greta-thunberg-environmental-activist
Grotty Thunderberg. I've saved your article. Thanks.
The day I saw UN 'adult' ambassadors crowding round to capture her with their phones, I knew we were in trouble. It staggers me how stupid my community is.
Here's one back; Prof. Sachs with what could be the Poison Grotty Elf...
https://nedpamphilon.substack.com/p/the-green-prof-sachs
How can the likes of Prof. Sachs push this 'sustainable' codswallop? Clown world continuum I guess.
I wonder how many engineers are members of the Conduit Club?
Sounds like a chit chat social group who think of themselves as influencers - but not to the poor and disenfranchised deciding whether to have one or two cornflakes for breakfast.
I guess it's all entertainment.
Thanks, Ben.
Social engineers welcome, but real ones? I doubt it very much. That would require them to have a working practical brain.
thank you Ben for producing this post. i liked your post event outdoor interviews with the attendees best - which i think said the most revealing insights…..
it was a hard slog listening to “intellectuals” waffling on about a load of nonsense frankly. very unclear what they actually believe or am i being dim?
what was the actual conclusion of the evening? i didnt find one.
do people really have £2000 to spare to belong to this club. maybe that says it all!
if only we could channel the financial resources there are flying about
into real useful projects.
actually the best bit was the guy describing the grassroots initiative that bought up a whole british street to rent to local people for fair rent.
lets get more of that going…..
Jolyon - 'Without knowing who you are, I can't talk to you ...' :)
Well Done Ben...
the real problem is the supporters of Far-Rent of which this members club are prime examples.
Not sure I'm as naive as you think I am fella - but I look forward to having that conversation! Soon I hope. Thank you for coming and for doing what you do in the meantime.
I'd be very interested in seeing an interview with you Jon. I don't know anything about you to be honest, but if you were at the meeting, or a member of the club, then i'd be intersted to know your thoughts on "Climate Change" and "The Pandemic" and the rise of authoritarian governments and totalitarianism as all of these points are vital to the foundations of any solutions. I apologise if you have covered these in your book. Obviously I have not read it yet. I'm sure, if you have read the other comments here, then you will understand the suspicion that people with "solutions" are viewed. And I for one, think that suspicion is absolutley justified.
Does the exorbitant entrance fee include a tan uniform?
Well that went well, sir. Tip-top bit of 'vox popping', right out the gate!
Nice work on lifting the shadows on the footage too. We made London look nice again.
During my techy reflections I discovered why the camera regrettably cut out during Jamie's chat and have fixed that issue and some other stuff too.
Proper journalism job! Well done you, mate
Maybe the idea is for us to have roles in the game. Quantum computing will allow them to monitor our bodies and minds so if we divide ourselves into groups I bet they'd love that. All our minds and bodies could be use to feed back to the centralised force behind the de centralised model. We wouldn't even realise we are players in a game. People are racing to a highly efficient version of Gustav La Bon’s “The Crowd”. -
'The Conduit' sounds like a sewer. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it. :)
Conduit reminds me of 'Conned you (into) it'.